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Day one: An ax murderer gets swift justice
November 2nd, 2009, 3:00 am · 133 Comments · posted by Larry Welborn
Francisco Torres
1892: Mexican laborer Francisco Torres did not like it much when William McKelvey, his boss at the Orange County ranch owned by famous Polish actress Helena Modjeska, docked his pay to cover an unpaid tax.
The dispute led to an argument that escalated into a murderous beating with a pick ax. Torres immediately fled from the scene but was captured days later in San Diego County. He insisted that he acted in self-defense.
Helena Modjeska
Anti-Torres sentiment was so high in Orange County after a preliminary hearing that Torres’ defense lawyer said he would ask for a change of venue. His “trial” was short and swift: vigilantes broke into Torres’ jail cell, dragged him outside and hanged him from a lamp post. A sign that read “a change of venue” was pinned to his chest, according to a report in the Los Angeles Times.
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And yet to this day, we allow them to burden the people of this once great country. little by little we are doomed. Its taken quite a few years but these types of people now have the majority in the US YAY.
Marley - what are you talking about?
Burden you? What does this have to do with race. You are so racist and just as bad as that lynch mob. don’t even say anything about the guy who tried to cheat him out of his pay for Taxes he was responsible for.
Oh and do they burden you as much as the WHITE collar crooks that you gladly gave your money to over there in New York?
Heres some examples
Bernie Madoff. all white people run Ponzi schemes.
Steve Jobs. All white people have cancer.
Michael Jackson. All white people were once black and could dance.
Sarah Palin. All white people can see Russia.
John McCain. All white people are 200 years old.
Scott Peterson. These kinds of people murder pregnant women.
Yeah, being white or mexican makes terrible people. Marley grow up.
huh, you are an idiot, you cant compare legal to illegal, “day laborer” is the OCRs way of saying illegal, undocumented, its all the same. thank god bernie, and scott and others like them didnt have a homeland to sneak back into and hide in.
Can you explain to me how San Diego county was this guys homeland? Oh but I bet those crooks did wish they had a homeland to sneak into. You are a total racist. Because the guy in this story was probably not an illegal alien, hell back then they probably wouldn’t know what that means. You are a sorry excuse for a poster. You still fail to answer the fact that because those folks I listed are white, does that mean white people are criminals or morons or old? No, you didn’t you just want to keep pushing your racism.
Day laborer is not necessarily the same as undocumented. Sure its likely that many of them are, but there may be others who have papers, and especially in this economy that are trying to get any kind of work they can.
BTW, it identifies Torres as Mexican. It does not say he was here illegally. He may very well have been here legally.
Also the article does not say how they know what happened, like if there were reliable witnesses or what.
day laborer, i’ve known people who are born US citizens picking up jobs as Day Laborers. so you have no basis of caiming ‘day laborer’ is the same as illegal undocumented. and also have you ever taken history at one time california was part of Mexico if you have forgotten, anyone in the country who is a legal documented worker is the same.
KEY POINTS Marley you have wrong and have no basis for what you said marley.
at one time california was a homeland of mexico, part of mexico.
Day laborer can describe many people legal and not legal but your a complete racist of what you said
you are living in his homeland in a way because california didn’t always belong to the US.
Why should you have the authority to claim that all Day laborers are illegals not true how could you tell the difference? you couldn’t
I also agree with hunter star score 1 out of 5 1 total stuck in own world 5 great value and correctness score -2 for ignorance of your states history and total negligence in your statement
Hunter Hearst Helmsley
YOU WIN”" you just made the dumbest post.”"”
sure did.
Marley get pff your high horse, it was there land to begin with…
the land was traded away. cant go to the house youlived in s a kid and demand that the current owners move because it was ONCE yours, things dont work that way. We are talking about 15 -20 million not couple hundred thousand
The land was traded away? Where did you go to school to learn that? More like slaughter the people to take there land. Your comparing the house you lived in to the land the people had here for hundreds of years before it was taken away from them? I am done after this comment because your ignorance and stupidity is making me nauseas.. I am done.
you’re awesome marley. perfect analogy.
omg survival of the fittest. The length someone lives somewhere means nothing. If the lady lives in the house next to me for 50 years and the neighbor on the other side has lived in her house for 10 days, what does that mean? That the first lady has lived in her house longer. yay! no body cares.
Actually, it was more like some guy came to the house where you lived as a kid, pointed a gun at your dad, and said “I’d like to buy your house for $50.”
Hundreds of years, Bravo? Where did you go to school to learn that?Try 26 years.
Bravo’s spelling is making me nauseous. Talk about ignorant.
jojo… if it was their land to begin with, why don’t you give your little sliver of it back to them??? That’s what I thought, you’re not THAT idealistic after all.
Look the land was once spain. but they lost it. the americans got it, and I for one am GLAD!! the mexican killed a guy and paid for it with his life. I dont agree in the way they handled it. Because courts and lawyers, as ugly as they can be sometimes are still the only way to handle disputes with Legal or Illegal immigrants. Although, dragging a child molester/child murder from his jail cell and hanging him would be pretty awesome, we live in a Republic, not a democracy, and i just want to add that In-n-out burgers are one of the best parts of living in America Gracias..
jojo… And by the way, the Spanish conquistadores slaughtered the Incas and took Mexico away from those indeginous people… THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO HAVE EVER CALLED ANY PART OF THE US OR MEXICO THEIR LAND…. PERIOD
Unless Torres’ middle name was Sepulveda, Carillo, Pico, or a few others, it wasn’t “there land to begin with.”
Funny !!! i wish it was Sepulveda..
Who in the world is them? Axe murderers? Those who don’t like paying taxes and will do any thing not to have to? I’m not pro illegal immigrants, but do you know if this person was one of them? Or was he born here? Too many questions and not enough answers.
Day laborer…Marley you are the biggest moron ever. More so than Sarah Palin. This story is from 1892, there were no concerns about illegal aliens or anything like that. He just worked here, that was it. No one was worrying about legal status or saying he was an illegal immigrant. He just worked, thats it. How you are so quick to compare someone from more than 120 years ago to today’s situation is amazing.
Hunter, you are truly a re#@&d
agreed
Ditto.
Well there’s the problem……..were letting the courts decide and the jails hold em’.
In jail, there is too much $$$$$ being spent on there healthcare, room and board, clothing etc……and you wonder why cali cant make a budget.
I like the 1892 way a lot better.
there humans. just like you. The bible says. To look after the fatherless child. the widow, and be kind to the Alien. God doesnt recognize borders because all the land belongs to God. I believe America was raised to Greatness because our founding fathers recognized this and the Lord blessed the land because of it. not just because of our treatment of the aliens. but you can look back in history regarding the migration of europeans , but the christian values. hating someone because there from some where else, is un American. regardless of who joins your opinion. The Amercian
“be kind to the alien” LMAO. And what do we get in rturn? Our cities destroyed one by one.
They’re humans.
There are humans.
Their humans are from Earth.
And you lost me at “the bible says”.
“Hooked on Phonics worked for me”
Marley,
You are a fool……………and yet to this day YOU fail to know your history. Your comment is moronic as well as ignorant. These articles are historic but yet you feel the need to bring in race.
Marley, you racist H1N1. Long before the southern rednecks fleeing the civil war moved in to the area now known as Orange County, Mexican citizens lived on and owned the land. How do you know that Mr. Torres wasn’t born here? You don’t. Your posts are sickening and show your ignorance.
racist h1n1 huh? wow, that is pretty racist in it self. Hmm I dont like illegals from any country around the world, yet you only love illegals from one country, yet Im the racist? Hardly.
I am against Illegal Immigration, and after reading through your numerous comments, I must admit you have some valid points. Unfortunately, no one will take you seriously after your first post. I get what you are saying, and Im sure and you are just fed up like most of the rest of us. But you must learn, in here you have no right to free speech. So hush. Change your name its tainted. Sorry people are so petty and blind, bleeding hearts I guess.
Nothing like a little “change of venue” for Mr Torres.
you are a racist nut dude…
That could never happen today. Hmmmmmmm.
We lost the Spanish American war it just took a century or so to figure it out. I wish Gang Members would get this justice. Shooting Women and Children just isn’t acceptable! Maybe we should give them free range time and training so when they shoot at each other they actually hit each other?.
On the evening news after a crime, wait for it! wait for it! Yup!
Justice? Taking people out and hanging them without trial is justice?
While they may overdo all the protections for the accused these days, not all of them are guilty. Even those in gangs accused of murder could be innocent–it could have been someone else.
Sure shooting women and children or anyone is not acceptable, but we need to make sure that we get the right person for any crimes committed–not just someone who looks like they are guilty.
Marley,
I would like to thank you for showing us the ignorance of people that feel they deserve what they never worked for only what they could steal from others. Do you think back then they treated laborers with respect? Or did they just abuse them? If you can believe it, this once great country you are referring to was built on the backs of immigrants not white collared people! Please pack your belongings and go back to your roots they probably miss your ignorance there.
Immigrants and illegals are 2 different things. The story would say Immigrant worker, not “laborer” if he was legal.
People can say what they want, smart people know better. Prop 187 warned us that illegals would cause this state to go broke in 15 years.. presto….
Immigrants are a wonderful thing, many truly are here to work, to bad even they are being undercut by illegals everyday. What a shame people cant see that, illegals hurt ALL americans, born here or documented.
So who decided who was an immigrant or an illegal? I think all the Europeans are the illegals, Indians and Mexicans are the legals. Back then there was no such thing as legal or illegal, then the US starting moving across the Country and decides everyone but them are illegals, right? If you knew prop. 187 was going to ruin the US, you should have been smart enough to move back to wherever you are from. YOUR ancestors are the illegals here!
Bravo, unless you have a tribe of native Americans living in your front room, then you’re a hypocrit. If you have a lock on your front door to keep out burglars (who might be of hispanic descent), then you’re also a hypocrit. If you keep your money in a bank instead of handing it out to anybody of hispanic descent, then you’re also a hypocrit.
If Mexico really thinks that they have a sound legal claim to ownership of California, then they ought to bring their army up here and try to take it back … otherwise, both the illegals and their supporters ought to face the fact that they lost the Spanish American war and there’s nothing that they can do about it other than to break the law, and in that case, they should expect to be treated like criminals.
If you think illegal immigration is such a just and righteous cause, then you ought to have about a dozen illegals living in your house, because otherwise … you’re a hypocrit.
Please prove I was born elsewhere and belong there.. Id self deport myself, but alas Im stuck here no passport.
Bravo please pack up your bags and leave. You know you are living on stolen native land. Your family were not natives here. So go home.
The Spanish conquistadores (Mexicans) slaughtered the Incas and took Mexico away from those indeginous people… THEY HAVE NO RIGHT TO HAVE EVER CALLED ANY PART OF THE US OR MEXICO THEIR LAND…. PERIOD
Not sure you where you get your idea of the word laborer, but it has nothing to do with legal status. It means worker. It is a job title in construction–an entry level one. They have laborers, carpenters, plumbers, electricians, etc.
Being described as a laborer would likely mean that he did the grunt work around the place.
‘Racist” and what RACE exactly is Illegal/day laborer? We are paying so much for them in taxes, it will make your head spin. Why arent they and their evil lawless ways sent packing. Their views and they views of average everyday americans are different. Power in numbers. Pro illegals are the BIGGEST racists around. Power in numbers, let all my people stay.. it is dumb and we are all going broke because of it. Down with “day laborers” millions of americans are outof work,
You might need to do a little research about the early days of OC before you run your mouth here. But then again, you haven’t let facts sway your sick little mind so far….
This article is not about immigration, legal or illegal. Things were much different back then. He is described as Mexican but it is my impression that some who were called that back then may have been of Mexican decent but may have been Californios–those who were here first.
We really don’t know much about his status or even what evidence there was against him. So lets not project current conflicts back to something that happened over 100 years ago.
What a fascinating case. No real “due process” but an ironic, no messing around sense of justice and humour
Marley, can you cite one study that reflects your illegal immigrant and taxes connection, just wondering where you are getting your “facts”. Also, I could not find the “Day Laborer” citation you alluded to in the article, could you point that out? And what about all the illegal Irishmen in this country, are they too “dooming” us, or are they ok? just wondering…
What illegal irishmen?
Thats easy, do a search, any link I post you will refute, do your own independent research…the facts are there for all to see, but you have to take the blinders off first.
I dont care if your last name is Lopez or McCurry or Slotich, if you dont have the proper papers to live and work in this country, get out. You have no idea how much I do help protect the rights of my fellow americans in my neighborhood, my latin american and mexican american neighbors are wonderful people, also being hurt and destoryed by illegals and their undercutting. All I ask is that people come legally and are accounted for. No running and hiding after commiting a crime here. No working under the tabe, tax free. The burden is huge.
Marley: How did I know that a Register reader would turn a long-ago criminal case into a referendum about Mexicans? Go back to your lair, you waste of a human life. Or, better yet, join the fun at our blog!
no kidding. You can’t even read a bit of history without it turning into a hate fest.
Speaking of LIAR, support Lupe Moreno and LIAR, she has it right, and she understands there is a big difference between being anti-Illegal, and just plain disliking Mexicans. You are the naive ones, wake up, our country is being stolen. What are you going to tell your grandkids about? How their great grandfather fought and died for this country, only to give it away? How do you sleep at night?
Don’t waste your breathe, or thoughts on this….. 2012 is around the corner.
Make your peace. Get your gun.
slick.
Clarification: “Illegal immigrants”, And since you care so much for the gang members let them shoot each other on your property, Oh and I’m 2/3 American Indian so you leave not me. As for the roomer of “Poor Innocent laborer” My family worked on the ****** and Irvine ranches and it was the wild west with some laborers. sometimes they really were bad guys and deserved justice we flounder with litigation and life in prison for psycho people. Back then it’s all they had. Prejudice and usury go both ways. Also back then people cared about people and unlike the south we were all one. Be “American” and leave your heritage for special personal pride not a demand for cultural acceptance, or just go back if it was so great!
agree, well said!
Good grief, how can any of you make comments and judgments about a case that is over 100 years old, based on three paragraphs. THEN you throw the legal/illegal spin on it. Wow…
Right on Old cop!
As usual, I agree with you. WOW! Talk about lighting a fuse for some here.
Awww pro-illegals are mad, tough tiddly winks. I cant wait for immigration reform. Whos side are you on? Americas or the Illegals? We are doomed
Oh by the way, Mexican’s are an Indian and Spaniard mix, I am Indian and Irish. So both sides were “Slaves” - (Indentured servants) or victims of oppression, So Wha! Wha! Poor me? Wait that was 200 years ago? Oh well! I demand White pride day or Give me back our land so I can make a casino! The whole poor me I’m entitled to, to, to SOMETHING? is just B.S! What ever color or race you are….
marley == troll. don’t waste your breath replying. He’s just entertaining himself
whatever “Jim”, I am the minority in here, I get it, that is okay..in the end, illegals will be sent packing, the country is broke, if you want to keep supporting them, go for it.
Please don’t let this troll wreck what is a good idea for a series of historical articles by the Register. The archives of newspapers are a treasure trove of interesting topics and I am glad they are publishing them.
However this has nothing to do with this thread on whatever marley started (won’t dignify it by trying to categorize it) so please ignore him.
yes, please continue the stories regardless of the ignorant.
lmao, you are such an idiot. Cant read, apparently, educated by the LAUSD? Im so sorry.
Agreed that this is a great series that doesn’t need to be lessened by the knucklehead comments from the regular peanut gallery that trolls the comment section of the OCR. Interesting that the same biggotry apparently has a very long history here in Orance County, though.
There once was a MURDERER now there is none. Mexico has a much better way of handling things read the paper Oh how soon we forget
Marley, educate yourself:
http://www.ocweekly.com/2004-04-29/features/strange-fruta/1
Guys becareful. This article is basically describing a lynching. EVERYONE
Due Process is very important. Even for criminals suspected of murder. The lynch mob was wrong in their actions.
Anthony Smith
anthony_smith3@hotmail.com
In 1892, there was still “frontier justice” you did something bad, and you died for it, no plea bargaining or anything. The bottom line is it happend over 100 years ago no one can even dare to compare it to to the happenings today, plea bargaining, that’s the biggest laugher in the justice system.
Reality,
I live close to the reservations, so yeah, pretty much my front and back yard. I lock my front door to keep the Jeffrey Dahmers, The BTK’s the John Wayne Gacy’s out of my house. You think I am afraid of someone robbing me? I am more afraid of idiots like you thinking that this is there land because they went to War against a county that was not as strong, the US? Does that make it right?
You asking if Mexico has a sound legal claim to the country they should go to War for it? So everything is about War to you? Retards like you are the ones that are begging for my change when I walk out of my bank. As a FYI, I am of hispanic decent, we as a people would rather do labor jobs versus begging for change. I yet to see one hispanic in my city asking for change but yet I see about 20 cacausians beggins for MY change! You are pretty ignorant in your thoughts and ways, I feel very sorry for you and anyone around you.
Thats how countries “steal” other countries, by going to war.. DUH! Dont hate, just go cash your welfare check and move on.
Bravo, I see that you’re not just a racist, but you also have an overwhelming sense of entitlement to things that don’t belong to you too. It’s also funny how you see nothing wrong with the Spanish/Mexican government taking land away from the Native Americans in Mexico, but you whine like a little baby because the American culture was able to buy the west out from underneath your people.
Not only did the US buy the western territories from Mexico, fair and square, but we also had the organization and strength required to hold onto that land with force. All your culture does is ignore problems in their own messed up country, and then jump the border and come over here and mess up ours. I’d rather see 20 caucasians begging for change than 20 hispanics robbing, raping and stealing like you see in the headlines every day.
If you think the US is wrong to enforce its own borders, then how about Mexico? Just ask somebody from Guatemala or Beliz about how they get treated when they try to sneak into Mexico, and you’ll get a good idea of how I think Mexicans shoud be treated when they try to sneak into MY country.
I feel sorry for you because your culture can’t even fix it’s own country. Mexicans are so repressed by their own ruling class, that they coming crying over our border, looking for a home because they’re too cowardly to stage their own revolution and want to benefit from ours instead.
Well said Reality.
And I dont get all this “give California” back stuff, like the people of mexico would stay in Ca, if it was part of the country. They would flee it and invade the us, state by state until it is all theres. Then what? They just made mexico, with mexico laws bigger, what was the point of that? Makes no sense they poop where they eat.
You would rather see 20 caucasians beggin for change because that’s what they do. Show me the headlines where you have 20 hispanics robbing, raping and stealing. Do you not see White Supremesist given death for shooting his friend? WTF is up with that? You are the one that sounds like your entitled to something your not. MY country? Since when did you become president or anything other than a blogger here? Don’t worry to much about it, we are taking our land back. I am not worried about Guatemala or Beliz, not where I live and not my concern. I am here and so are many more people that come to this country to make something better of themselves, this is where I see your self entitlement. You’re born with a silver spoon in your mouth and still didn’t amount to much other than talking about people you don’t know. Like I said, we are here and if you want us out do what you do best… Go to war.
Come and get it….. take Ca, and then what tough guy? All we have to do is wait until siesta time, and steal it back.
Bravo, If you were smart enough to read, then you wouldn’s say something as stupid as, “Show me the headlines where you have 20 hispanics robbing, raping and stealing.” … Read the story of the Richmond gang rape; there’s your headline.
“I am not worried about Guatemala or Beliz, not where I live and not my concern.” That’s funny, because that’s exactly how I feel about illegal immigrants from Mexico; they should all be rounded up and sent to work camps and then deported after they’re too worn out to work anymore; they broke the law when they came here, so why should I be worried about their rights?
If Mexico didn’t want to lose the Southwest, it shouldn’t have picked a fight in 1845.
Any country that put Santa Anna in power what, four times? has no leg to stand on complaining when bad things happen.
Would like to know if the gangs Marley is refering to, include the KKK, Aryan Brotherhood, Skin Heads, Hells Angels, Nazi Low-riders etc. etc. etc. ?
Who mentioned Gangs? I despise groups like the kkk and skinheads, Im not even “white” but a mix of several different cultures. No room for hate in america, now coldblooded crooked illegals, can go.
Marley is a kind of like a human trash can in which all the stupidest ideas of the human race are tossed and he contains them, embraces them. I could see him with a swastika armband if he were born in Germany 70 years ago–but Marley won’t understand this because he probably believes the holocaust never happened.
Marley, you are a dufus and a loser. Get a life.
Better yet, why don’t you move to the Appalachians?
Again, say what you want, fact is even a million years ago there were illegals here, an there will always be. All I know is there is one little chunk of land that they will have to kill me for. The rest of you willing to fight the good fight when it happens? Most of you will run with your tail between your legs. Just surrender to the enemy, what big brave people you are.
Millions of Americans are the ones hiring these laborers My ignorant little Marley Amigo…and millions of americans were at one point illegal…or do you forget the whole thanksgiving theme…pendejo lol
You wanna cite me the section number of the Wampanoag Criminal Code that made the Pilgrims “illegal immigrants”?
If there’s no law, there’s no illegality. That cute little MeChA “The Pilgrims were illegals!” mindlessless just doesn’t work.
On the other hand, if the Pilgrims were illegal aliens and the Indians were in the right, then does that mean Americans are entitled to deal with illegal immigrants the way the Indians tried to do when they got tired of having the Pilgrims around?
LOL Mundo. Re: “Millions of Americans were at one point illegal.” Perhaps the indigenous people should have had an immigration policy in place. Therefore, don’t forget that those so-called illegals won the war/wars and to the winners goes the spoils. Too late to try to take it back now. An earlier commenter mentioned going to war. To that person I say: Be careful what you wish for. LOL
Marley…hush puppy
your just another internet warrior talking tough
Fight for you little piece of land…well theres a huge pice of land called the United States…why dont you go defend that? Just like thousands of illegals do…
3rd generation military, next.
I think we can all agree here that Marley is an idiot. He sounds ignorant, immature and pathetic. Who’s with me?
Me!
One person, well arent you the big man on campus.
The most evident fact of nature is that it is survival of the fittest. Being human makes us no different. The US won the war for this land and we as its citizens reap the benefits of that. It all happened in a much different era and I don’t think anyone is deserving of an apology for how it was done. Don’t get bitter, get better.
Anyone can be successful in this country today. Even illegal aliens breaking our entry laws can become something. I don’t think that makes it right but until the flow of law breakers crossing all our borders is stopped, the tax payers will be footing the bill.
He took a man’s hard earned money, and got killed…. In return, he was hanged.
They both got what they deserved!!
Too bad we are so primitive now, and give so many rights to murderers…. thanks to all the greedy politicians, and the ever-protective-of-killers religious puppets.
I know that none of us would want CA or any state of the southwest to part or be returned to Mexico. Mexico is a corrupt country. I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else. However, somebody made an ignorant comment about “If Mexico didn’t want to lose the Southwest, it shouldn’t have picked a fight in 1845…” First of all, read your history buddy if you’re going to make silly statements like that. Mexico did not pick a fight. Americans were allowed to immigrate to Texas by the Mexican government on the condition that they wouldn’t practice slavery which was illegal in Mexico at that time. Of course, Sam Houston and his buddies didn’t like that and defied the Mex govt and continued the slave trade in Texas. Mexico sent armed forces to enforce the law which was the abolishment of slavery. As a U.S. citizen Houston called on the American government for help. Which of course came to his aid because they saw it as a perfect opportunity to fulfill manifest destiny (the occupation of the southwest to the pacific ocean). Now if you know your true “American” history, there was a tons of malicious practices that contributed to the growth of the country which we now know and love. It’s important to know your history so it will not repeat again. Guys like Marley and Thomas are ignorant. It’s obvious. They blame everything on “illegals”.
Well said my friend. Get Reality seems to think he is deserving of a cookie or something for his thoughts.
I dont blame everything on illegals, I mainly blame our government and crooked employers that hire them. I believe some are here to better themselves, yet looking at the most wanted lists and the jail population, I believe many more are here to do harm. Maybe not intentionally, but they dont take responsibility for their actions, they flee like cockroaches. Come talk to me when soemone you love is mercilessly killed by someone who can turn around and claim, I did not know the laws in America, me no know english”… is all bs. I wish I was an illegal, omg life would be so easy. All the fun, none of the problems. No debt no jury duty, no car insurance, no health insurance, no taxes, no medical bills, no rent, no food bill, the list goes on. Wait are you going to tell your grandkids, sorry lad, the US gave up.
You’re confusing the Texas Revolution of 1836 (Sam Houston, the Alamo, etc.) with the Mexican-American War of 1845-1848. In which yes, the Mexican army fired the first shots, at La Rosia, ambushing an American patrol on the land between the Nueces and Rio Grande rivers which was claimed by both Mexico and the U.S., which had just annexed Texas.
Now, if my grasp of history were so public-school tenuous that I’d make that kind of mistake, I’d be a little more careful about calling people “ignorant.”
Okay Okay, You all win Illegals are wonderful, everyone should have one.
lol, I’ll pass but thanks. Wait we are all the proud mamas and papas of around 15 million illegals. We are the bestest nicest nanny country around.
http://www.ocweekly.com/2004-04-29/features/strange-fruta/
Read it and LEARN. Fun isnt it.
illegals make up part of the economy they help the economy, they come across the border for work and a better life why would the waist all of that for messing up “America” which is made up solely of immigrants and our native americans. come on people need to except the fact the economy would be worse if they didn’t come to work in the country they benifit society more, they work harder than most americans do, every single person except the native americans could be considered illegals because the native americans were here first and we just came and took their lands from them put it that way
Mat, do you think Americans should do to illegal immigrants what the Indians did to some of my colonial ancestors?
When the Indians decided to oppose illegal immigration, it wasn’t just welfare eligibility they cut off.
15- 20 million??? Please they arent ALL good hard working people.
News flash marley…..most of us dont have to go 2 far back in our family tree to find an illegal alien, deal w/ it.
So we should just keep letting illegal after illegal in? To what end? Nice to hear you are so rich that supporting them doesnt effect you. What is the point of legal immigration? Maybe we should just have open borders for all. Come one come all, Dave says it is okay, he has room for you at his house.
everybody is complaining about illegal immigrants but who’s gonna be crying when you got nobody to moe your lawn or cook your food at those nice restaurants, or lets not forget cleaning your precious cars at the car wash? or those fancy hotels you like to stay at. who do you think cleans and maintains those huh? lets not forget picking those nice fruits and vegetables you love. and for all you laides, what about those nail places where you go get your feet and nails done? whos going to do that for you if theres no more immigrants around..ya, thats what i thought. PS, LABOR JOBS, DONT FORGET THAT. NOBODY IN AMERICA WANTS THOSE JOBS ANYMORE
I totally agree with you. Most of these people probably never known what its like to break your back to earn your pay.
Our still-young County’s reaction to the Torres lynching was to put the building of a secure jail at the top of the priority list. An imposing new jail became the first building built by the County — Even before constructing a Courthouse or offices for County government.
Sam Houston did NOT want Texas to be a slave state.
Just Google “Sam Houston State University” and “Houston, the Emancipator” ( http://www.shsu.edu/~pin_www/samhouston/HouEman.html ).
Here are quoted some brief excerpts:
“”Eight years before Abraham Lincoln used the phrase “a house divided against itself cannot stand” Sam Houston said: “A Nation divided against itself cannot stand.” Lincoln freed the slaves and became known as the Great Emancipator. But Sam Houston was also an emancipator.
- - - Houston owned 12 slaves. Texas legend says that he freed them before he was legally required to do so. This position is backed by the recollection of one of the slaves who said that Sam read the Emancipation Proclamation to them from the steps of the house in which the Houstons lived at the time and told them they were free.”
- - - Perhaps Houston’s best claim as an “emancipator,” however, was the evidence that he educated his slaves along with his own children, even though it was against the law to do so, - - -
….. Houston ruined his chances to be elected president of the United States with his principled vote against the Kansas-Nebraska Act, which permitted the westward spread of slavery and which Southerners favored. Even with that political liability, he was elected governor of Texas, but was forced from office for refusal to take an oath of allegiance to the Confederacy.
—– On the question of whether any race was innately superior to another, Houston was probably a century ahead in his thinking, and almost all acts other than his ownership of slaves support the idea that he disagreed with slavery as an institution.
— While in office as president of the Republic of Texas and later as governor he refused to permit payments to bounty hunters of escaped slaves. He also prohibited slave ships from trafficing in Texas.
- - - an indication of how Houston felt may have come from abolitionist Senator Charles Sumner. In 1852 Sumner told an associate, “He (Houston) really is against slavery…”
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Nothing like a little “change of venue” for Mr Torres.
Concerning Sam Houston’s slaves being taught to read in write, may I ask you to check out the book: From Slave to Statesman, story of Houston’s ex-slave, Joshua Houstom
I know you’re going to crucify me because of the typo in Joshua Houston’s name. That’s OK, I can handle the ridicule.
There’s an alien in my tree!!
Torres has been dead and stinkin’ for well over 100 years! Time to move on….
Frank got his just desserts in 1892. That “change of venue” is something I’d like to visit upon some of the criminals we have up here in Northen California.
helmsly what a liberal biggot, well said mexican I love in-n-out too. we can all live here in peace that is if the democrats will stop stealing our rights.
What a privledge it is to live in the United States of America where such a wide range of opionions can be expressed openly without fear!
HHH and Marley should of been victims of Mr. Torres
I AGREE!!!!! :]
racists are no better.
In n Out rules! I with I could own, one but they are not franchised! BUMMER !!!!
You should have to complete your GED before posting anything on this thread!
To a you racist people here. Shut your mouth. I am Mexican and proud of it. I have obeyed the law all my life and out of duty have joined the military. How many of you can say that? In the foxhole, there is no color. Like it or not your economy is dependent on our people because we will do any job no matter how unpleasant or backbreaking it could be for piss poor pay.
exactly!
in 1892 I am pretty sure we were all “undocumented” considering everyone who fled England, in today’s terms, was in this country illegally. No one cared the way they do today. And Marley - if it wasnt for those ‘day laborers” who would do your landscaping while you become more & more ignorant!!!